Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Maybe you have that confused look on your face because you're comment very much misses critical pieces of the puzzle? Also maybe because college stats are irrelevant once a player has been in the NFL a few seasons and played the position?

Doesn't matter, the question is what are you missing or what did you leave out in your analysis Guido?

I am a Saints fan, not a player fan, for me it is always best man up. You always have angles and since you are pushing one heavily you need to tell the whole story. Forums are like being in court, once you open a door it is all fair game.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Facts right here, it’s how I feel also.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Same here! I am honestly more of a fan of Taysom as a person than I am of Winston. But, I have seen nothing from Hill as a QB that has shown me he is of the same caliber as is Winston. I see Taysom's value to the team as clearly being used as that all round weapon. I feel confident we are a better offense, and better on special teams, with Winston under center and Hill everywhere else than we are with Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

Can either of you argue that point?

And I only showed the college comparisons because the member I was debating (Thrity3) with brought up Hill's college career as support for his starting. I totally agree that they are not very relevant at this point.

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College was a LONG time ago for both players. Winston has shown us what he IS. Plenty of College stars fizzled in the pros, especially QB's. His 2019 season he completed only 60.7 % of passes in a Bruce Arians offence. it was like 58 before Arians. Still waiting for anyone to find a QB with a better first four game start than Hill. As to the argument that Hill is too good at "swiss army knife" to put at QB... We've seen him with the ball in those all too rare situations and he has EXCELLED. Imagine with the ball in his hands EVERY DOWN. As far as leadership EVERYONE on the team loves the guy and the team gives NOTICIBLY excited play when he is on the field. For me, there is no question who should be QB. Hills College stats are also irrelevant. 72.7% first four games in NFL. So who cares what either did in College? Especially what Winston did in 2014. It is 2021 and there are 6 years of Winston NFL history. Everyone here used to MOCK Winston. C'Mon
Look if they play Winston I expect lots of disgust and Winston to lose the job by week 6 or at most 8. He'll be out of the league or a backup the rest of his career unless somebody is really desperate.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Yeah, a lot of backups have 5,000 yard 33 TD seasons. But,
time will tell.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

You are all in on Hill's completion percentage in the first four games. That's all you have mentioned as a positive. I repeat, he was in a vanilla offense playing against one of the very worst defenses in the NFL for two of those games. One of the other two games was against a team decimated by COVID and the last, which he lost, against yet another below average team.

What is so great about dumping off high percentage passes in a vanilla offense against crappy competition? You are hanging everything on that. Sorry, but that is nothing to hang one's hat on.

Tell you what. If you are SO confident that Winston sucks so bad and Hill is the next coming of QB Jesus, I'll bet $40 you that Winston starts more games this season than Hill. Free money for me. As much as I like Hill as an athlete and a person I have seen nothing from him that shows me he can be a successful pro at QB. And as much as I have issues with Winston as a person I have seen that he can be very effective as a professional QB. Even outstanding at times.

Afraid?

PS. Yes, college stats are irrelevant, but you are the one that said the following in this thread ...

"PS Don't forget Taysom broke all of Steve Young's records at BYU. "

Check your history. Taysom never broke a single Steve Young record nor did he break anyone's record at BYU. I seriously don't see why you are so enamored by Hill, unless it is just that you hate Winston so badly for some reason.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Yet thirty3 claims that Winston will lose his job before mid-season if/when he gets named the starter.

That's laughable.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Why the hell would you say something like that? That's complete trash.

You're calling people racist because they don't like Winston or would like to see Hill get the job? You're effing kidding me right?

Dude....I just thought of something! Hill is white too...so he's probably a racist too! You're onto something there man!!

Lol. Wow.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Sparked a nerve there, huh? Boston didn't call anyone a racist. He was simply wondering what any logical person might wonder.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Did you read my post? Who did I call a racist?

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Good grief. I didn't get anything of that nature from his post.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

If you would take time to go back and look, the person I was debating (Thirty3) was giving college performance as support. I only went back to point out there was nothing in that realm that gave any support to Hill being superior to Winston. I know as well as anyone that college performance means little in the big leagues.

So, do you personally believe that Hill is definitely a better NFL QB going forward than Winston since you are chiming in? How about a yes or no and then why you believe that?

Well?

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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

And we stress a small sample size for Hill with half his games started against one of the worst defenses in the NFL in Atlanta and another against a team without a QB on their gameday roster. The other team he faced had was a loser in the worst conference in the entire league ... and he lost to them.

Sorry, JP. You have to have more ammo than that sorry crap.

Anything else?

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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

I’m not following that logic. One of Winston’s 4 first games in his rookie season was a Win against the Saints where he had a QBR of 114+. The Saints had a better record that year than any of the teams Hill beat last year. Now, that performance is better than anything Hill has done so, by your reasoning, Winston has a higher ceiling because he had a higher QBR in one of
his first 4 starts than Hill did in any of his first four starts. Hill also has never had a 3 TD, 400 yard passing game before...Winston has. Winston’s 4 best games are better than Hills 4 best games. So, how does Hill have a higher ceiling?

And how do you know we’ve seen the best Winston has to offer? Tampa has not been a historically successful franchise and where you say a 40 YO QB took his team to the SB I can say it took the future HOF/winningest/best QB to ever play the game to unseat him. You don’t think a 27 YO QB could get better playing under Payton? Brees did.

And I will repeat that I am not pulling for either player. Makes no
difference to me who emerges as starter. I hope and expect them to produce. I am just surprised at the willingness some have to write Winston off as done. Multiple HOF QBs have demonstrated worse years than Winston has produced. But, oh well. Time will tell.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

My comprehension is quite strong, thank you. He has had coming up on four years worth of snaps in practice to be accessed. That's where most QB's are accessed. When on a roster the QB deemed the better starter under the circumstances will get the starts. Due to Winston's short time in the system that was Hill last season. Now the most prepared will start in 2021. My hopes are that it will be Winston because it makes the team better as whole and that's what's most important, don't you think?

Or is that not important to you?

When and IF Hill does gain enough confidence from an NFL coaching staff to become a full-time starter the rest of us will see what it is you claim he has going for him. THAT is a big if in my opinion.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

There will be a QB competition and there will be a winner, one will lead the team from the huddle an QB position. The other will lead the team in positions played and critical contributions in all facets of the game, offense, pass catching, running, blocking and special teams with occasional wildcat formations. Discussion and opinions while interesting in the forum discussion simply do not accurately track the coaching staff’s process and decision made around the QB position this past offseason.

TH showed he has the arm and athleticism but could not process the defensive coverages, his receiver reads and ending up looking indecisive and holding the ball too long getting sacked or worst yet fumbling the ball way to frequently.

They brought JW back and gave him prove it money to be “The QB” not to be backup, drafted Book to hopefully be the #2 QB so TH can do what he does best to help THE TEAM WIN.

Not a betting man ... but I will hold fast to this position.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Agree 100%! That will all make the Saints a better team on offense and special teams than they would be with Hill under center and Winston sitting the bench.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

The only thing is Book being an emergency QB if Winston and hill go own. Lordy don’t know if my Book would be ready for that. But we don’t need a vet like trev sem. Being 3rd up neither. With a vet min we can’t afford


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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

If Winston and Hill both go down it doesn't matter anyway. Things would be bleak.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

I understand the enthusiasm on Book however he has to make the team first.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Saints crushed for not naming Jameis Winston as their starting quarterback

by Leigh Oleszczak

The biggest storyline with the New Orleans Saints this offseason is their quarterback situation, which isn’t something they’ve been able to say for quite some time. The job is between former No. 1 overall pick Jameis Winston and offensive weapon Taysom Hill with Winston being the favorite to land the job.

Chris Rolling of Bleacher Report said that the Saints failing to name Winston as their official starting quarterback is one of the worst decisions in the NFL since the NFL Draft took place in late April. Here’s more from Rolling’s article:

There are facets to the problem, too. A quarterback controversy could be a distraction. More importantly, it could harm both if Hill takes first-team reps from Winston, never mind the offense as everyone tries to adjust to two different players. Splitting critical first-team reps over the summer could do more harm than good. If the Saints let this drag on, the transition from Brees could face-plant.

It’s hard to argue with this, but we all know that Sean Payton loves him some Taysom Hill. This is exactly why he shocked the NFL world by letting Hill start in Drew Brees’ absence last year despite Winston essentially being brought in for that very reason.

Winston previously played for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers for five seasons before being allowed to leave in free agency and joining the Saints in 2020. Winston was coming off a season where he threw for over 5,100 yards and 33 touchdowns but the 30 interceptions are why he was no longer in Tampa’s future plans.

Meanwhile, Hill has been with the Saints organization since 2017 and transformed into one of the most intriguing players in the league with the role he’s carved out for himself. He throws the ball, runs with the ball, catches the ball, and plays special teams as well.

Hill honestly can do it all and while it’s unfair to use his strengths against him, being the swiss army knife is exactly why Winston needs to be the quarterback. When Hill is taken out of his offensive weapon role, the Saints’ offense becomes a lot less dangerous.

Also, Winston is an experienced starter and while yes, the interceptions need to be trimmed down a lot, he’s shown he can be a reliable quarterback and keep his team in games with his arm. The Saints should have named Winston as their starter but Payton isn’t going to do that. He wants both guys to battle for the job and give them each a fair shake at winning it.

While I agree with Rollins’ assessment for the most part, if the Saints don’t get much out of either of these guys in 2021, they can turn to next year’s draft and try to add one of the quarterbacks entering the league. That’d be their best play at that point.

For now, however, Winston should be the team’s starter and hopefully, Payton doesn’t drag this out longer than needed.

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Oh wow, Crushed, omg, don't think we'll ever recover if *checks name* Chris Rolling of Bleacher Report thinks we've messed up! Call the season guys, that's it, we are done for!!

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It’s business not enthusiasm K, SP ML JI drafted him liked what they saw on tape ... could be if JW goes down TH is the first option to step in ... But Book could be a quick study could step in and allow the offense to have all its skill players in play and having to be accounted for. SP given the chance likes to stress the defense as often as possible.

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Let's see what happens at camp sir. All I'm saying is that Ian has a mountain climb with deficiencies but from what I'm hearing from him is will power & a competitor. Saints have had tons of 4th, 5th, 6th rounders who don't even make the roster.

Regardless, I won't dismiss him or his potential. If he earns a roster spot, terrific but if he doesn't … it only cost us a 4th round selection.

I like Ian B. To me, this pick is not a steal, but a solid bet.

Camp awaits.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

I was demonstrating the usefulness of a small sample size. So far Hill has shown that he can be a good game manager type against some lower opponents when he has a sold O line protecting him and players like Thomas and Kamara to support him. Nothing more so far. He’s not shown he can lead a team with his arm. Winston HAS shown he can do that in games. You also didn’t address my point about him getting better joining up wit Payton at 27 like Brees did. Why are you all fired-up certain that Winston can’t improve on what he’s shown?

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Training camp can't get here soon enough :p.

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Your argument is far less compelling in standard case, albeit FAR more easy to read than bold text.

I love you, JP, but I am having trouble reading your posts in the bold font all the time. My old eyes have trouble with it.

:p

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

Fortunately, it isn't you. ;)

I trust the people that have evaluated Hill for four years to make a decision without experimenting for a full season while we still have enough talent to win it all right now. I want what is best to win NOW. I love Hill as a football player and person. He is one of my favorites on the entire team. I have never been a fan of Winston, but I do care more about the success of the team over individual players. Winston under center and Hill all over on offense and special teams gives us a FAR better chance for success than Hill under center and Winston on the bench.

What about that are you having an issue comprehending, JP?

Oh, and by the way, that team Tampa Bay not only added the best QB to ever play the game but loaded up with high impact free agents that Winston was never afforded. Tell the whole story.

Not to mention that the Bucs also acquiesced to Brady and abandoned the turnover machine style offense that Arians had in place for Winston.

"No risk it, no biscuit!"

Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

So, I just watched this video. After doing so there is no way you will convince me Hill has so far demonstrated he has a higher ceiling than the guy who makes these plays. He needs a little control, and to learn not to force some plays, and a better offensive game plan. But no way in heck has Hill shown that he has a higher ceiling.

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Re: Taysom Hill: “Really nice” to tailor all offseason work to playing QB
 

And no career from Hill. He was a pick up from a practice squad. He is an awesome athlete, yet his career highlights are all at positions other than QB.

Do you care more about the immediate, current success of the Saints or giving Taysom Hill some sort of unwarranted chance that might fail, as you pointed out resulting in a high pick?

Which of these two do you desire more:

1) Taysom Hill being starting QB

2) Jameis Winston not being starting QB

Honest answer if you can, JP.

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And yet that addresses none of the points I’ve made. Show me one Hill highlight at QB that matches any of those. Yet he has a higher ceiling? You’ve not shown the evidence. I have.

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Jeopardy theme music.

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Not on either side, just want the best one to win the job, but I thought it fair to show tit for tat.

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This video would like a word with you..., and this coming from a forumite who is, and has been, on the record as saying that Winston is the better QB, and Taysom is Inspector Gadget. Some ppl view Winston’s negatives, and being int prone is a negative he has on his resume, as a greater detriment to the team than his positives could ever. It’s a fair criticism, not one I share, but I completely understand their logic.

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I was putting the same video up as you were, lol. My bad folks, sorry for the dupe.